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Post by Sparkey on Nov 15, 2006 0:10:12 GMT -5
I was watching the Adgth movies recently, and I thought, "what made the sequel so unpopular?" (besides david. and so I started a list of what should change. 1. The opening should change. It's Kinda hard to watch without being embarassed for the film. ditto with the finale of "it's too heavenly here" 2. 60 years later?? they should either make heavens time and earths time different, or have itchy arrive earlier. 3. Characters. they schould change Itchy: What happened to Itchy the Builder/Mechanic? Carface: Carface is too wimpy. Also, what happened to his love of candy canes? David: 'nuff said 4. Flashbacks. there should be a WHOLE set of scenes that are flashbacks. we should see charlie meeting itchy and carface. We should see charlie meeting Flo, and the two of them in a relationship. (p.s. I read on a certain site that Charlie and Flo are old lovers. Charlie is too unreliable to love, that's why they're not together.) And lastly, we should see charlie running away from home, and failing in his first buisness, so he decides to help David, who is attempting the same thing. 5. Bad Scenes. Some Scenes just don't work well, like sasha backing down badly, or 5 year old butt humour, or the "DONUTS!" line. 6. RED. His character is too weak for his role. His song should be more powerful. He shouldn't grow huge at the end, he should be looking like a gargoyle/balrog! like the demon at the end of the first film (they look alike. check the chin!) 7. Cop chase scene. Shouldn't be the highlight of the film. the cops are trying to help! and the lady cop should shout that david's parents are worried. 8. Carface as an Accomplice. Doesn't work. Carface is a leader, not a sidekick. he should be more like his previous film self. also, why does he go along with red's plan?? (apart from the fact he's scared) why would he want to doom his world?? he shouldn't know what the plan is until the end, giving him a chance to redeem himself. and he should escape at the end, and set up a new casino. 9. Killer. What happened to killer? he should be in the film!! 10. The Finale. Alcatraz and Red aren't very scary. The finale should make you jump! (I have written a possible alternate ending for the film. I'll post it later) 11. Anne-Marie. She should be david's Grandmother, or just be a character who looks out of her window, sees the ADGTH gang run by, and Rubs her eyes/does a double take. That's about it. Sorry if it was too long. BTW, why does everybody hate david?
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Post by xaritix on Nov 15, 2006 18:23:01 GMT -5
Everybody hates him because...hes just a really annoying character that they annoyingly threw into some ADGTH episodes for some reason
Please post the alternate ending
Also, the second movie would be better if they added like a character like my RP character, Kaiser, a person from Charlie's past who wants world domination and yada yada yada, like a replacement villian instead of the guy Red, and also add Bellodonna maby
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Post by Sparkey on Nov 15, 2006 22:32:42 GMT -5
Okay, It kinda sucks in places, but there are some cool bits. BTW, as I was writing this, I kept on having more ideas, so there are a lot of alternate options.
NOTE: Throughout the film, Red should only speak of his plan as "The Plan to top all Plans" , and when he gets the horn, show carface that his plan is to destroy Dog Heaven. Carface, on discovering what reds plan is, should protest angrily.
Red should blow the horn like in the film, except there should be a wind, and a force around him, blowing carface away. Then as charlie is following the rest to the exit, he looks back at the fault he caused, and sees the horn in reds outstretched hands. Red laughs maniacally, when suddenly charlie leaps past, trying to get the horn. Red realises and leaps out of the way, sending him flying into the wall. Red glares at charlie, and then his plan is complete. he turns alcatraz into a regular hell, and then turns into his Balrog/Gargoyle form, Placing the horn on his finger as a ring, scaring charlie (Red was the demon from the first). Red advances on a panicked charlie, then is hit from behind by a multitude of rocks, thrown by Itchy, Sasha, and David. Red then advances on them all. Behind him, on the wall, carface is watching. He grabs a rope/pylon/light fixture and swings down behind red, catching him off guard, and managing to steal the horn. Red throttles carface via collar, and carface crashes into a pile of junk, dropping the horn in the middle of the room. All race for it. The good guys get there first, but red then closes upon them with his claws. Itchy, being a small wiener dog, manages to squeeze out with the horn. Behind him, red taunts him and threatens his friends. Itchy snaps, and lunges fowards to red. he bites red on the finger, and red lets go of everyone. Their victory is short lived, because Red tosses itchy aside, and he crashes into a wall and lies still. Red laughs nastily as Charlie runs to his unconcious friend. (help me out here, I Haven't decided what happens here) <Sasha gets caught (saving david?) and hurt, alarming Charlie. David gets locked in a Cell, in some form of danger maybe?> Charlie then heads for the roof/outside. Red follows. In the Commotion, neither notice Carface stir.
ENDING 1: Water Tank Exactly the same as the movie, except when red throttles charlie a second time, the collar he wears is loosened. charlie takes it off without red noticing (red, being a demon, doesn't notice the change from being to spirit) . Charlie taunts red, then leaps over the edge. Red Falls after him, then charlie floats to safety.
ENDING 2: Alcatraz Courtyard Red and Charlie end up in an Abandoned courtyard of alcatraz. there is a dramatic fight. Carface stumbles upon an old Garage. In the struggle, Red gets charlie to the ground at the edge of a pier, and then utters the "ominous last word before I kill you" line. But then, Carface calls out to him. Red turns around, and Carface bursts through the garage with a car. Red gets shoved off the edge the same way charlie did in the first film.
Red is Sucked up by the force of the whirlpool. he lands on alcatraz, crashing through the roof. He starts to weaken, but then reaches for <Character> , trying to capture/kill them, when he hears Gabriel's Horn playing. The scene continues, exactly the same from the film, except carface watches happily, and then leaves, disappearing into the shadows without anybody noticing.
So, whaddya think?
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Post by xaritix on Nov 15, 2006 23:32:32 GMT -5
Good, I was thinking that maby Red was some minion or something of bellodonna or something like that just how Kaiser is in my fanfics
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Post by SunFlash on Nov 25, 2006 18:35:00 GMT -5
2. Major error, yes. Your ideas, or at least postpone Carface stealing the horn would've worked nicely.
3/8. Completely agree with you. Carface in the first movie was a great villian. Not any sort of villian, but a head honcho. HE was the leader. Remember, the entire plot (in the first movie) goes in motion when he acts on his thirst for power and killing Charlie with the car. Without that quality, you take a part of the past plot. If he allowed himself to be a subordinate (or a 2nd in command at the most), then Charlie wouldn't have been killed, if anything, Charlie would've killed him. The only way he could join Red with it making sense is by giving him something BIG in return. In ADGTH 2, he has little motive (or at least little motive mentioned).
6. Now that you mention it, he does look like the demon 0-0. Anyways, Red looks/sounds narly (in my opinion), but ya, him as a character is kind of weak. Little back story (except how he's a devil cat), but nothing on his exact motive (such as, why dogs? Human heaven, or maybe a bit of both, would've been better for complete domination. Is he seeking dog vs cat revenge? Petty world take-over? Did Anabelle forget to give him $50 after betting on the last Laker game?). As for growing big, he has little reason to. He has what he wants, the others were escaping, and himself Red could've beaten Charlie since he is still taller and possibly stronger than him.
As for Belladonna being a better villian, that sounds like a delicious idea (although I might be biased. My real life nickname is Belladonna).
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Post by zombiksb on Dec 5, 2006 18:19:07 GMT -5
Everybody hates him because...hes just a really annoying character that they annoyingly threw into some ADGTH episodes for some reason Please post the alternate ending Also, the second movie would be better if they added like a character like my RP character, Kaiser, a person from Charlie's past who wants world domination and yada yada yada, like a replacement villian instead of the guy Red, and also add Bellodonna maby omg MY HEAD
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Post by zombiksb on Dec 5, 2006 18:22:09 GMT -5
I was watching the Adgth movies recently, and I thought, "what made the sequel so unpopular?" (besides david. and so I started a list of what should change. 1. The opening should change. It's Kinda hard to watch without being embarassed for the film. ditto with the finale of "it's too heavenly here" 2. 60 years later?? they should either make heavens time and earths time different, or have itchy arrive earlier. 3. Characters. they schould change Itchy: What happened to Itchy the Builder/Mechanic? Carface: Carface is too wimpy. Also, what happened to his love of candy canes? David: 'nuff said 4. Flashbacks. there should be a WHOLE set of scenes that are flashbacks. we should see charlie meeting itchy and carface. We should see charlie meeting Flo, and the two of them in a relationship. (p.s. I read on a certain site that Charlie and Flo are old lovers. Charlie is too unreliable to love, that's why they're not together.) And lastly, we should see charlie running away from home, and failing in his first buisness, so he decides to help David, who is attempting the same thing. 5. Bad Scenes. Some Scenes just don't work well, like sasha backing down badly, or 5 year old butt humour, or the "DONUTS!" line. 6. RED. His character is too weak for his role. His song should be more powerful. He shouldn't grow huge at the end, he should be looking like a gargoyle/balrog! like the demon at the end of the first film (they look alike. check the chin!) 7. Cop chase scene. Shouldn't be the highlight of the film. the cops are trying to help! and the lady cop should shout that david's parents are worried. 8. Carface as an Accomplice. Doesn't work. Carface is a leader, not a sidekick. he should be more like his previous film self. also, why does he go along with red's plan?? (apart from the fact he's scared) why would he want to doom his world?? he shouldn't know what the plan is until the end, giving him a chance to redeem himself. and he should escape at the end, and set up a new casino. 9. Killer. What happened to killer? he should be in the film!! 10. The Finale. Alcatraz and Red aren't very scary. The finale should make you jump! (I have written a possible alternate ending for the film. I'll post it later) 11. Anne-Marie. She should be david's Grandmother, or just be a character who looks out of her window, sees the ADGTH gang run by, and Rubs her eyes/does a double take. That's about it. Sorry if it was too long. BTW, why does everybody hate david? who say that i hate david
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Post by zombiksb on Dec 5, 2006 18:22:39 GMT -5
ADGTH 2 THE BEST
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Post by zombiksb on Dec 5, 2006 18:24:23 GMT -5
Guys you dont say this: Its is better to disney make ADGTH 2
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Post by Sparkey on Jan 9, 2007 22:41:32 GMT -5
I watched the movie again, and I thought of two more things
12. Collars Not a complaint, but I thought it would look sorta cool if when Charlie and Sasha kiss, and Charlie's collar wears off, Red should appear in his true form, against the film, and snap his fingers.
13. Alternate Story I thought that maybe the movie would have worked better if it was a film version of the epsiode "La Doggie Vita". Belladonna Introduces herself in a way similar to the epsiode, then tries to lure charlie to the darkside. (Who knows, maybe she could ultimately do Red's plan) And David's Story be a Sub-Plot. ("Oh No! My Stepmom is Having a Kid! I'd Better run away!" The overall reason David ran away always seemed the absolute WORST thing to do in my opinion)
(I Hope I Didn't offend anyone with step parents with the david remark. Sorry if I Did)
Oh, and I didn't really have THAT much of a problem with david. It was mostly a joke for the people who couldn't stand him.
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Post by zombiksb on Jan 16, 2007 7:29:05 GMT -5
I watched the movie again, and I thought of two more things 12. Collars Not a complaint, but I thought it would look sorta cool if when Charlie and Sasha kiss, and Charlie's collar wears off, Red should appear in his true form, against the film, and snap his fingers. 13. Alternate Story I thought that maybe the movie would have worked better if it was a film version of the epsiode "La Doggie Vita". Belladonna Introduces herself in a way similar to the epsiode, then tries to lure charlie to the darkside. (Who knows, maybe she could ultimately do Red's plan) And David's Story be a Sub-Plot. ("Oh No! My Stepmom is Having a Kid! I'd Better run away!" The overall reason David ran away always seemed the absolute WORST thing to do in my opinion) (I Hope I Didn't offend anyone with step parents with the david remark. Sorry if I Did) Oh, and I didn't really have THAT much of a problem with david. It was mostly a joke for the people who couldn't stand him. ALTERNATE SUX
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Post by zombiksb on Jan 16, 2007 7:31:30 GMT -5
АЛТЕРНАТИВНОЕ ОКОНЧАНИЕ ПОЛНАЯ ХУЙНЯ !!!!
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Post by zombiksb on Jan 19, 2007 15:37:13 GMT -5
А ЧТО НУЖНО ЧТОБЫ ПОПАСТЬ В РАЙ
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Zenoah
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A now and forever with you.
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Post by Zenoah on Feb 20, 2007 2:12:50 GMT -5
I liked the movie, thou voices could have been better...
Sparkey: Those were some good ideas you have there. I kinda liked David, but I agree that his motive for running away was a bit lame.
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Post by Charlie Barkin on Apr 9, 2007 7:12:59 GMT -5
I felt like the pace of the movie was too fast, it ended too soon...but the ending out side David's house was perfect.
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